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>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/05/dea-marijuana_n_2810347.html
>inb4 huffpo
Dea wants to sue Colorado and Washington for being badass who aint afraid of anything.
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>>10906633
We should have cut the entire DEA with the sequestration. They are useless scum who are helping to destroy this country.
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>>10906633
fuck those niggers. We need a new states rights movement to force the fed to acknowledge that the commerce clause doesn't give them carte blanche.
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>>10906633
>sue WA and CO
>everyone is poor now
>everyone starts growing pot to sell
>mfw
Either way we gonna get stoned bro.
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>>10906695
but that's backwards.
state law super cedes federal law.
that's why a county sheriff is the highest law enforcement official in any area.
the pyramid is really upside-down.
the president is at the bottom, not the top.
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>>10906763
Not since Obama.
It's your fault Obama.
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>>10906695
10th amendment you retarded faggot
the federal government has no constitutional right to regulate drugs
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>>10906763
probably the dumbest fucking thing i've ever read on here
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>>10906836
because
>Muh laws
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>>10906836
Financial interests
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>>10906880
But they're losing alot of money from raiding some places.. right?
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>>10906836
Good question.
You should ask them.
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>>10906815
are you kiddin' me?
the only person that holds authority over a county sheriff is the coroner.
lrn2legal
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>>10906836
1. cotton industry stands to lose profits to hemp trade
2. phamacutical industry could lose profits and influence
3. alcohol/bar industry will lose profits
4. it's also seen as a dig against federal power by the states, the federal government wants power and control- and unity of government. this defiance is dangerous because it could spread to other area of politics.
weed is illegal because it will cost rich people a lot of money if it is legalized. it is not a dangerous drug and and it does not belong in the same category as REALLY dangerous drugs (schedule 1 drugs).
it's safer than alcohol and it's less addictive than coffee. money is the ONLY reason it's illegal.
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>>10906803
interstate commerce clause :(
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>>10906803
unless they can show that its crossing borders! then it actually does become a federal offense. I say this is good news.
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>>10907035
The free market will fix it.
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>>10906815
Dude do you even american law?
The state law surpasses federal law at the highest level.
Ever since these tyranical presidents have been "elected' Theyve indocturnated you into thinking the opposite.
What, you want the feds telling you what you can and cant do? Are you that much of a bitch?
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>>10907051
So don't sell it across state lines.
Fuck the commerce clause and the faggots who try to abuse it.
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Bensinger doesn't give a rat's ass about Constitutional rights or State's rights, he's is just looking for job security.
>>http://www.bensingerdupont.com/PageTemplate2.aspx?id=W8xozjR//*nRE6A wnpleGA==
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>>10907017
Tell that to the second government operating in our country called the Federal Government.
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>>10907070
if weed were legalized it would bring incredible profits and taxes to any state that legalized it. right now that money is going to canada, mexico, and a handful of private growers.
the free market WILL fix it.
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>>10906836
Official Stance: Marijuana is a harmful and dangerous drug that is addictive and has no medically beneficial uses
Try to hold back your laughter, but they're serious, or at least they want us to believe they are serious.
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>>10907083
uh huh, tell us more
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>>10907121
yep. theyre only here for money.
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>>10907140
sorry i couldnt read that i was to busy laughing.
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>>10907149
I told you all i needed to tell you.
Remain ignorant now..
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>>10907206
except the information you posted is wrong but whatever
>muh indoctrination
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>>10906836
for one thing, now that pot is legal in colorado it will only make it that much harder on law enforcement in the surrounding states. because the drugs will just flow out of there.
so basically what will happen is, law enforcement costs will go down in colorado, while they go up in kansas. kansas will eventually stop putting up with that, and just join colorado in legalizing pot. and eventually the whole country will follow with.
im guessing the dea knows this. they probably feel like they're 'winning' the war on drugs (laughable i know, but these people have to justify their jobs somehow) and they will feel like they are losing a major battle here if they dont do something
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>>10906907
The Dea makes billions in seized narcotics. Not only do they not destroy them but they redistribute them half the time back into the hands of the cartels they took them from. Its all a game, you take this amount, burn it, take amount keep it, and the other amount? sell it. Wash rinse repeat.
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>>10907206
The "supremacy clause" is the most important guarantor of national union. It assures that the Constitution and federal laws and treaties take precedence over state law and binds all judges to adhere to that principle in their courts
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>>10907206
a source would be nice
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>>10907290
Kansas here, our alcohol laws are stil bogus as fuck. If we cant even regulate alcohol correctly we definitely wont be doing anything with weed anytime soon. A shame really.
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>>10907374
defend your point and prove me wrong
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>>10907422
>asks for source when he doesnt post his own.
Yeah fuck off.
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>>10907465
defend yours asshat. wheres your sources, wheres your facts, you havent posted anything remotely near a viable citation.
now post or fuck off.
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>>10907431
i agree kansas will likely be one of the last. but imagine if weed were legal in all four border states. do you think that law enforcement would be able to curtail the influx of marijuana that would bring. not unless they spent a fortune. meanwhile, kansas is going to look around at its neighbors, see the effects on the budget, see the revenue they could be bringing in, and they're going to feel squeezed.
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>>10907505
i didn't make the outrageous claim
now stop whining and defend your point
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>DEA
>Not big pharma and mini-CIA
Have fun spending all that money keeping something illegal. Forget that it creates thousands of jobs and tax revenue. Forget it's even less toxic than water. Forget all of that, we're the morality police! How else can we maintain leverage in latin american countries?
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>>10907567
>67
>>>10907505
>i didn't make the outrageous claim
>now stop whining and defend your point
Really? how bout this claim that fed law surpases state?
citation faggot.
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>>10907590
I've been here watching this little conversation and I just have to say youre a funny guy. Bet in highschool yearbook the quote under your face was "NO YOU"
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>>10906673
>WA, CO
>WACO
we all know how this is gonna end when gov comes for the "dispensers"
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>>10907431
Kansas here, Lawrence specifically.
We can't even crackdown on actual hard drugs here (meth mostly).
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>>10907627
cute. way to contribute to nothing.
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>>10907590
supremacy clause
now run along kid
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>>10907653
i said this
>>10907391
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>>10907677
>with no sauce
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>>10907545
I could definitely see it happening. Were by no means a rich state, hopefully Kansas will jump on that bandwagon sooner rather than later. Weed already everywhere here considering Kanaas City is practically the center of the US.
I think its rediculous because I had a possession charge a few years back and i had to pay close to 2k in fines plus court fees and im STILL on probation.
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>>10906739
ignorance is a hell of a drug
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>>10907091
>implying this isn't the rational that failed on the Civil Rights Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Atlanta_Motel_v._United_States
The sale of marijuana will have to be heavily registered to avoid the argument that a traveler from another state won't be affected by their lack of prohibition.
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>>10906750
That's the problem. People who already smoke don't really give a shit outside of the internet about the law, so it will most likely pass with minimal effort from any opposition.
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>>10906739
>How is pot still seriously considered a big deal among citizens anymore?
It's not, over half of the population of the United States believes it should be decriminalized.
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>>10907719
And anything youve said has one? Atleast I provided something you can look up. I googled Does Federal Law Supercede State Law. I mean it really can't be that hard can it?
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>>10907431
>maw I realize sc is more progressive than anything
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>>10907827
he's just upset cause he knows he's wrong
but remember we're indoctrinated and so on, its also comical to me that those who cry about defending the constitution know nothing about it
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>>10907827
DOHOHOHOOH
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>>10907068
The fact they were able to press the Civil Rights act as working under the Commerce clause shows you're full of shit.
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>>10907857
so why is it illegal then? Don't the powers want everyone to be docile and lazy?
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>>10907857
>ALL PEOPLE WHO SMOKE WEED ARE DOCILE AND LAZY, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE ALLOWING THE GOVERNMENT TO FUCK THEM OVER
First of all, dat projection. Second of all, who do you think was fighting the govt. to get it legalised for so long in the first place?
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>>10908046
you CANT read an old weathered stoner
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>>10907140
you heard it folks, marijuana is about as physically harmful as ecstacy
Id love to see a chess match between a dude who spent 10 years smoking weed every day and a dude who did ecstacy every day.
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>>10906633
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Butthurt ex-feds think they will affect state-level law? Nothing could be further from reality. This is a pathetic last-ditch attempt to prop up the disastrous drug war. Their lawsuit will get nowhere, they will have paid thousands of dollars for nothing, and residents of CO and WA will laugh in their puckered, whiskey-stained faces.
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>>10908178
social skills arent a rate of intelligence
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>>10907290
>for one thing, now that pot is legal in colorado it will only make it that much harder on law enforcement in the surrounding states. because the drugs will just flow out of there.
>implying weed was ever hard to get, anywhere
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>>10907051
Only applies to interstate commerce.
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>>10907906
The civil rights act is unconstitutional.
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Weed makes you unintelligent. Deal with it. No one gives a shit what scientific or art breakthroughs you weedfags do. Get a fucking job and work something for nothing for once in your fucking life you stupid lazy slobby niggers.
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>>10908272
here we go
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>>10908233
chess is a strong indicator of cognitive ability
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>>10908319
>That feel
I used to be productive when I smoked w33d.
No I just drink dew all day and fap to cuck porn.
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>>10908233
>has never met an antisocial chess player
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>>10908241
But he's right. It's a fair assumption that legal production in Colorado could readily effect the illegal supplies in surrounding areas, as well as have a negative effect on illegal foreign importation or strictly illegal production in other states.
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>>10908319
and people should be allowed to make themselves unintelligent if they want to
eat shit statist cocksucker
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>>10908368
>No I just drink dew all day and fap to cuck porn.
core /pol/ userbase right here
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>>10908178
just incase you drones didnt notice, im being facetious
ecstacy would wreck someone for ten years and pot would have an effect mostly due to high time being spent not learning
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>>10908178
That would be a slow fucking chess game, but honestly for the pot smoker, if would be up to the person. Some people, after smoking for a few years seem like a fucking alzheimers patients.
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>>10908385
1st of all. Put political and moral debates aside. An animal isnt suppose to breath in fucking smoke in the 1st place. This fact includes humans aswell. Its unnatural to inhale smoke like a fucktard.
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>>10908178
>ecstacy every day
you've obviously never done ex
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>>10908480
>should be allowed to make themselves unhealthy if they want to
You still don't get it.
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>>10908483
You obviously didn't get it.
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>>10908530
Enlighten me.
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>>10908480
>Its unnatural to eat cooked food.
>its unnatural to post on /pol/
>its unnatural to wear clothes
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>>10908272
Eat a boat of dicks.
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>>10908585
Why do you care if other people want to smoke weed, why do you want them be arrested and imprisoned for doing something that only effects them?
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>>10908530
>force people to live like you or else put them in jail
>>10908563
>implying you weren't comparing apples and oranges
>implying effective dosage, common frequency of use, short term effects aren't important
The point is that average ecstasy users don't use it as frequently as average marijuana users and that should be taken into consideration
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>>10908621
He's right.
Regulation of serving practices of private business is not enumerated in the Constitution.
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>>10908480
>the only way to get THC is through a marijuana cigarette!!!!!
>being this fucking dumb.
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>>10907629
oh fuck
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>>10908763
Uh-huh. Tell me more of your dream-world that's been proven wrong and every corner.
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>>10907633
And yet you fags still found a way to bust the only major LSD lab in the whole US.
Good job fucking Kansas.
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When the drug war is finally ended, I really want there to be a provision in the law which stipulates that the assholes who personally profited from it be locked up forever.
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>>10908630
Yea thats what I would expect from a guy sounding like a pro-weed monger. I am going to stick with my belief in whats natural and whats not natural to do. For example inhaling of smoke is not natural. Sure. Merijuana has health benefits to save someones life but then what would be the whole points of natural selection be then? Natural Selection is ever striving for perfection in genes. We don't need people with genetically diseased. We are trying to evolve from that. Thanks.
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>>10908319
and where are you getting this info from?
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>>10908872
Its rediculous how much theyre making of this drug war.
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>>10908814
THE FAM SHALL LIVE ON
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>>10908480
Humans arent supposed to wear clothes.
Humans arent supposed to post on pol
Humans arent supposed to make paper
Humans arent supposed to kill eachother
Humans arent supposed to do alot of shit that isnt natural.
As long as your sitting there in your poly cotton blend t shirt, eating cooked foods and posting on pol, you have absolutely no right to use naturalness as an argument.
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>>10908878
literally kill yourself, no one is this stupid
get off the internet btw, its not natural
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>>10908691
>thinking this hard about a joke
He's saying that it's ridiculous to say "ex is as physically harmful as pot" when doing a whole shitload of ex for a long time will fry your brain and smoking a whole shitload of pot for a long time will just mellow you out and possibly forget high school chemistry.
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>>10908319
>weed makes you dumb
>I don't care what the science says
oh the ironing.
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>>10909132
unless he DOESN"T move to strike down the new state laws.
I mean, did you read the OP?
the former DEA assholes are up in arms that he hasn't ALREADY made his move.
and given that public support is behind CO and WA, he could very well drag his feet, treaties be damned.
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>>10909013
BWAHAHAHA! Ok man. Peace out. (assuming you are this anon. >>10908630>>10908530 >>10908530)
Alright whos next. >>10908956
>>10908602
Alright you guys got me there. How could I have been so stupid to say inhaling smoke was unnatural. Go ahead. Smoke up 'dudes'. Degenerate scum.
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>>10909197
he campaigned on legalization. he's the head of the executive. they're still prosecuting the war on drugs.
shut the fuck up, drone.
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>>10909206
It's sad you'll never realize how stupid you are.
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>>10909231
> campaigned on legalization
that is absolutely false, you worthless shitstain. get your facts straight.
obama broke campaign promises related to weed but he was never promising legalization, you fucking dumbass.
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Question: If you were arrested in a state where weed is illegal, but moved to Colorado, would you lose that possession charge? I remember reading that possession charges were being dropped in Colorado but I don't know if that applies to out of state charges.
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>>10909345
I can't imagine they could drop an out of state charge, but I imagine you can't be discriminated against in hiring practices since the felony you're charged with is legal in the state you're seeking employ.
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I hope the fed brings the hammer down hard on CO.
All these faggots here who voted to pass this shit are perfectly fine with the federal government shitting all over other peoples rights.
Having their god-emperor obama come after them might get them to realize that the fed doesn't give a shit about them and their rights. Might actually have them start thinking that states have rights.
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>>10906673
>are you even trying, WA, CO?
>WA, CO?
>WACO
Nuoh my God
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>>10909440
what's really going to be hilarious is if they DON'T bring the hammer down, and then you're left still trying to argue how evil and oppressive the government is.
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>>10909440
>wishing ill on a state government defying the federal overlords
>not wanting CO to be an example of legalization and wanting it to be an example of jackbooted thuggery
You're a pretty shitty person 0/10 would not share a blunt with.
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>>10909038
sorry bruh got autism as fuck
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>>10909290
Sorry man. Take it easy out there.
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>>10906633
Those two states should send Obama a letter with HIS quote in response to Arizona stopping illegal immigration: "it's the federal government's job to enforce federal laws, not the states"
Watch libtards try to figure out how to rectify the double-standard.
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>>10908810
>proven wrong
>interstate commerce clause
>means to tell you who to serve in your business
Nice argument.
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>>10906739
Muh tv says it's bad.
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>>10909580
I'm 22, a college graduate, I don't own a TV and I want it to remain outlawed(along with alcohol and tobacco and some other drugs). I wish you people would stop acting like everyone in the world supports you.
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>>10909648
>I SUPPORT PROHIBITION BECAUSE DRUGS ARE BAD
You sound exactly this stupid.
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>>10909648
I wish you people would stop acting like my body belongs to you.
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>>10909648
>I wish you people would stop acting like everyone in the world supports you
see, thats why they like... took a vote and stuff. to see what the people wanted. too bad, so sad, you are the minority opinion.
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>>10909565
Interstate commerce only means government has a righ tot ensure every state can do business with each other and no state is "embargoed" from the rest of America or some shit.
It doesn't mean Washington has absolute power over states
If anything it means Washington has to facilitate and support commerce with states that legalize weed and any other state that has laws differing from the norm.
BUT leftist "re-interpretations" means OBAMA IS THE LAW OF THE LAND, MOTHERFUCKER"
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>>10906633
Former DEA. The Current DEA, and Obama were ignoring it because they don't care whether or not people in Colorado and Washington want to get high.
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>Over 60% of drugs seized - marijuana
>We wonder why the DEA, which is founded upon drug illegality, doesn't want marijuana to become legal
Of course these bureaucrats will scream and whine over this. More than half their paycheck will be gone.
What about all those infrared helicopters they have looking for grow rooms? And the marijuana eradication programs? The assets they seize from drug busts? All the big pharma drugs people buy in replacement of pot? The private prisons?
All about the money and people who think they know your body better than you to the point they throw you in a cage for ingesting a non-toxic medicinal shrub that grows everywhere.
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>>10909736
I don't believe in freedom or autonomy in the way you do, sorry. We just have fundamentally different moral systems.
>>10909703
that doesn't sound stupid at all. Everything should be outlawed by default until we can prove it's safe, and alcohol, tobacco and hash are not safe. I don't want people to be able to alter their mental states like that. It just leads to social problems, driving accidents, and mental health problems.
>>10909743
I mean activists assume everyone who isn't an evil baby boomer is supportive of them.
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>>10909761
Obamas administration has raided more dispensaries than Bush's ever did.
Will you get off the niggerdick and understand that Obama is a snake?
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>>10909790
I'm gonna lawl too. They're just shitting their pants. Why haven't they sued states with medical marijuana dispensary laws? Dispensing medical marijuana is just as illegal as dispensing recreational marijuana under federal law, and listed as the same crime.
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>>10909756
>It doesn't mean Washington has absolute power over states
But that's what it's used to enforce. The decision in Heart of Atlanta meant that virtually any action taken by a business or private citizen within the United States can be regulated by the Federal Government because it is not possible to accurately say that it DOES NOT in some way affect interstate commerce. It is the key to infinite federal power creep.
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Nobody is going to bring the hammer down on shit.
There is one question on everyone's minds on both sides of the argument. What if.. just what if legalization works? what if it turns out to drop crime, boost the economy, lower overhead to the government, etc..
If it turns out to be the best thing ever, everyone is going to want to take credit.
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>>10909736
it doesn't belong to me, it belongs to society, i.e the state, which is just an embodiment of the people's will(tempered by some technocracy)
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>>10909499
I'm not wishing ill will for CO.
I want the fed to bring the fight so this can hopefully end up being a good case for states rights of telling the fed to fuck off.
The people here though need to realize that the government is not this perfect deity that can do no harm. They conveniently ignore it when it steps on other peoples rights. The best way to get them to wake up and start to question what the hell their government is doing is a taste of what is going on by way of legalization being attacked.
I'm perfectly fine with legalization and I hope that when this goes to court the states win. I also hope that the prospect of the fed telling all these kids 'no' even though that's legalization was democratically decided will light a fire under their ass and they wills see what the fed is really about.
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>>10909823
>Everything should be outlawed by default until we can prove it's safe
So you're just a pussy.
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>>10909887
what if it doesn't work? I can't wait to see all these annoying fucking stoners flounder.
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>>10909921
yeah, so? Is that meant to be a bad thing? Am I meant to be insulted?
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>>10909761
>Current DEA, and Obama were ignoring it
Nope.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/07/dea-responds-to-legal-weed-in-colora do-a'
"the Drug Enforcement Administration’s enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged," a DEA spokesperson told Reason this morning.
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>>10909823
>I don't believe in freedom or autonomy in the way you do, sorry. We just have fundamentally different moral systems.
Whispers the rapist.
>that doesn't sound stupid at all. Everything should be outlawed by default until we can prove it's safe, and alcohol, tobacco and hash are not safe.
What isn't compulsorily is prohibited?
>I don't want people to be able to alter their mental states like that. It just leads to social problems, driving accidents, and mental health problems.
Their body. Not yours. Other people aren't your livestock to control,
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>>10909648
I'm 22, a college graduate, I own a nice tv and i know marijuana should be legal because im not willfully ignorant about the history of cannabis like most of the world. You probably got all your facts from DARE when you were 12
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>>10909925
then we go back to the way it was, and nothing of value was lost. its win-win for anti-pot people really.
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>>10909823
>I don't believe in freedom or autonomy in the way you do
You are a pitiful waste of carbon.
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>>10909823
>I don't want people to be able to alter their mental states like that.
>As a human being, you can't make responsible decisions.
>As a human being, I can make responsible decisions for you.
No. Just. No.
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>>10909823
> everything should be outlawed by default until we can prove it's safe
But that's a completely untenable position for any society to have. Cars aren't technically "safe", people die in them all the time, sometimes simply due to human error or vehicular failure, but if all cars were outlawed our entire infrastructure would crumble.
>I don't want people to be able to alter their mental states like that
I think people can benefit from certain altered mental states. Funny thing, opinions.
>it just leads to social problems, driving accidents, and mental health problems
And prohibition has had zero negative consequences, right? Also I'd be interested to know why you think marijuana causes "social problems, car accidents, and mental health problems". You know, back up your claims with evidence, all that jazz, I'll wait.
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>>10909964
>Their body. Not yours. Other people aren't your livestock to control,
I disagree with that. You don't own your body. Society does. And anyway, drunk/high drivers kill other people, it's not just themselves they affect. So that argument doesn't work.
>What isn't compulsorily is prohibited?
Sounds good. Limit the scope for danger.
>Whispers the rapist.
Rape isn't that bad. It's an essential tool in the sexual marketplace.
>>10909976
I'm not amerian. What's dare?
>>10910015
It's not a human being deciding, it's a state, a collection of human beings. Sum > parts.
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>Former DEA Heads
You mean the Republican ones? Republicans are for greater drug enforcement? Color me retarded.
Obama is going to let Colorado and Washington do what they want. Obama has the executive authority to completely nullify pot laws nationally. He just doesn't do it because he's a fucking pussy.
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>>10909206
>>10908878
>>10908480
>>10908319
Oh wow.
The guy talking about whats "natural," is beyond fucking help.
It physically pains me to read these arguments
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>>10910049
>I'm not amerian.
Thank god.
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>>10907584
>even less toxic than water
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>>10910040
I actually would outlaw cars and instead invest in appropriate replacement infrastructure. Cars fucking terrify me. How did we let these fucking death machines become so widespread?
Oh, and of course I have no evidence. I know full well what I want will never happen, so I'm not going to put any effort into it. I will just post bullshit here.
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>>10910062
>Former DEA heads
>thinking the party matters
>Obama has the executive authority to completely nullify pot laws nationally.
>the President can nullify laws at will
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>>10910049
>You don't own your body. Society does.
Nope. At least in the USA, you have the right to your own body. Don't know about whatever commie shithole you come from, but that how it works here.
>And anyway, drunk/high drivers kill other people, it's not just themselves they affect. So that argument doesn't work.
Well, driving under the influence of mind-altering substances is already illegal, so your counter-argument does not work.
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>>10909880
And the Consitution doesn't give the federal govenrment that power and only gives the feds the power to facilitate interstate trade instead of deciding what that trade can be.
Just more power Washington gave itself under the excuse of "WELL IT'S IMPLIED SO THERE!"
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>>10910049
>I disagree with that. You don't own your body. Society does.
Your argumentation says otherwise. I use my part ownership of your body to nullify the ability to argue with me.
>Sounds good. Limit the scope for danger.
Troll?
>Rape isn't that bad. It's an essential tool in the sexual marketplace.
I'm assuming troll.
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>>10910049
Drug Abuse Resistance Education
the brainwashing they put our school children
through where people and officers come to the school and lie to them about drugs
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>>10910062
>He just doesn't do it because he's a fucking pussy
wrong.
we are still bound by the narcotics convention. what the US is doing is having their cake and eating it too. because pot is legal on a state level only, the president can turn to the international community and say "we havent broken our agreement to never legalize, because its still illegal under federal law"
the US has been pulling fast ones on the international community for years.
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>>10910104
you vape or eat that shit and it's got tons of beneficial properties with basically no lung damage.
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>>10907035
>weed proves to be a massive source of income from all areas
So why don't the Jews just take control of the weed industry?
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>>10910049
>you don't own your body. Society does.
What kind of edgy bullshit is that? You are completely talking out your ass.
>Drunk/high drivers kill other people
So do sober drivers; maybe its not the chemical but the operation of a 2 tonne metal deathbox while unfit to drive thats the problem.
>rape isn't that bad
oh right, its a troll..
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>>10910134
I'm not talking about any real country. I'm talking about how I think things should be.
And I know dui is illegal, but that doesn't work. We just need a culture change so no one even knows about or is curious about drugs. Just needs two generations of hard enforcement to beat it out of culture, then everyone will have forgotten and it will be a social norm.
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>>10910049
>You don't own your body. Society does.
>arguing against self-determination
>the holy grail of conscious existence
I am:
Trolled.
Rustled.
Mad.
Buttpained.
10/10
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>>10910153
Obama can tell the DEA and the DOJ to just stop enforcing pot laws.
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>>10910203
adrenaline is a mind altering substance, gonna outlaw roller coasters too?
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>>10910153
As long as The Pot Sales and use are done by the states, and the growers never sell outside their own state, then it is not a federal issue, because there is no interstate commerce.
South Carolina did something similar with light bulbs to get around a federal efficiency regulation.
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>>10910145
you sound totally unbiased. It's more likely you are just an anti-establishment kid.
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>>10910142
90% of the things written in the Constitution are implied, and have been interpreted that way since the founding.
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>>10910203
How did you get so fucking beta?
You have no confidence in yourself or your fellow man?
Do you live in a bubble?
I'm honestly curious.
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>>10910231
ding ding.
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>>10910231
yeah but legalization is more beneficial financially. decriminalization doesnt put money into uncle sams coffers. if you think the federal government isnt going to see any of that CO/WA weed money, your crazy.
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>>10910241
Anything that can't come up with a good justification is outlawed. Prohibition is the default.
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>>10910274
He's not an American.
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>>10908242
Wickard v. Fillburn
The inter state commerce clause means whatever they want it to.
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>>10909823
ladies and gentlemen: a statist.
you are a disgusting unamerican and a supporter of a big brother style government. you will be the first against the wall when the time comes
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>>10910301
>ladies and gentlemen: a troll*
fixed it for ya.
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>>10910179
Correct, and vaporizing good wax concentrates like this is actually good for you and your lungs.
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>>10910287
It means that the Feds can be stingier with grants, which will save them money in the long run.
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>>10910274
no, of course I have no confidence in people. People are fucking idiots. Just this morning waiting for the train some 16 year old skanger walked across the tracks to the other platform to talk to some other delinquent about prison "hey man, you just got out, did you!?". Plenty of other examples.
People just need to be regulated. They can still be happy, but giving them freedom just leads to them abusing it and harming everything.
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>>10910301
>ladies and gentlemen: a statist
Please no. I'm a statist and that guy has lost it.|
Even statists believe in self determination
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>>10910301
yeah, I am a statist. Through and through. I haven't found anywhere online that is even remotely statist though. Seems that libertatians have taken over.
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>>10910179
Yeah, "basically" no lung damage. While I agree that weed is mostly harmless, the claim that it's less toxic than water is absurd.
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>>10910395
You can theoretically ingest more THC than you can water before dying.
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>>10910392
You are not a statist.
You are Joseph Stalin.
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>>10910292
I realize that this is the retarded philosophy that prohibitors believe in, but are YOU making that argument?
because then I would ask, where in this system is freedom?
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>>10910361
Hobbes-ians make me so fucking depressed.
Where do you live, if you don't mind me asking?
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>>10910263
Except the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to a trial.
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>>10910301
>ladies and gentlemen: a statist
>you will be the first against the wall when the time comes
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>>10910431
there is no freedom in that sense. You have a basic amount of personal freedom on a micro scale, and you will be presented with the illusion of macro freedom to keep you satisfied. People just need stuff to occupy them day-to-day, freedom is unimportant.
>>10910433
Ireland.
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>>10910422
>we managed to determine the lethal dose of THC
>by suffocating monkies with weed smoke
true story
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>>10910361
>so i devote all my energy to undermine the founding principles of every free society.
judge your fellow man as much as you like, but you yourself are the societal evil in need of regulation.
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>>10910442
>can't own automatic weapons
>withholding evidence during plea bargain
Just two examples.
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>>10910263
Wrong. Judicial review came years later when people realized it was easier to get a judge "imply" the Constitution than it is to amend it AS THE CONSTITUTION REQUIRES FOR ADDING NEW PROVISIONS
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>>10910433
never heard of hobbes( I majored in CS, not polsci), but yeah, i believe in a social contract.
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>>10910501
I don't devote any energy to it. It's just my internal opinion. I'm aware it will never happen, so I'm not wasting time trying to campaign for it. I have a job and shit to do.
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>>10910471
>Ireland
Your forefathers fought for independence from foreign British rule, yet you trust some elected chucklefucks to decide how you can use the body that is your only true property?
Disgrace.
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>>10910489
if you did that, you would be killed by carbon monoxide.
THC has a tiny faction of that toxicity, hence why it is less toxic than water.
fun fact: you can't be allergic to THC because if you were, you would also react to elements of your own brain chemistry and never make it out of the womb.
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>>10910532
>never heard of Hobbes
It doesn't matter what you majored in, this is high school shit.
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>>10908920
That was really the only lab? I've seen plenty of new stuff going around.
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>>10910532
>social contract
You're thinking Voltaire.
A Hobbes-ian is what you are.
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>>10910565
I wouldn't have voted for independence. Our history in the last 100 years just shows we are fucking incompetent and unable to govern ourselves. That's neither here nor there I guess.
And who cares what my 'forefathers' did? That's in the past, it's irrelevant now.
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>>10910522
Read the debates in the First Congress and get back to me, bro.
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>>10910587
I didn't go to an american high school. I never covered any of these philosophers or shit.
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>>10910522
>Years later
>less than 30 years later
First of all, the Court gave that power to themselves, not the government. Secondly, most of the writers of the Constitution were still alive and agreed that the court should have that power.
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>>10910614
>And who cares what my 'forefathers' did?
I've got to leave. My jimmies are in tatters.
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>>10910471
even that argument is self-contradicting retardedness.
given the lack of negative effects of THC, it would clearly be included among your "micro freedoms", especially in a scenario where comparability "hard drugs" like alcohol are legal.
in saying this, you reveal that your concern is not for creating consistent drug laws relative to safety, but rather to carry out your discrimination against pot-smokers who you look down on.
TL;DR you clearly have terrible judgement when it comes to public policy.
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>>10910638
and people say the american education system is shit....
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>>10910638
> Hobbes and Locke
> implying you need an American education to learn about either/both
they're churning out some fucking rocket scientists in Ireland aren't they
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>>10910675
>given the lack of negative effects of THC
have never seen an unbiased source on that.
And sure, I totally agree, I just want to discriminate against people I hate. I admit that. It's human nature. Better to give in to it than to try to fight it with unworkable 'freedom'.
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>>10910513
>can't own automatic weapons
yes you can
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>>10910513
You can own automatic weapons though, you have to jump through hoops for the privilege to the documented right though.
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>>10910713
do you know who Parnell or de Valera are? Different countries focus on different topics in school.
What class did you learn about them in, out of interest? As in Maths, English, History..?
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>>10910727
>I admit that. It's human nature.
its a human nature than any person with the slightest bit of principles suppresses in favor of having fair judgement.
dress up your petty hatreds in whatever excuse you like.
you are scum.
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>>10909823
You are a psychopath. You are operating on an objectively immoral moral system. You may possibly pose a threat to society at large for your willingness to take the rights and property of others for no reason other than your personal whims. You are a dangerous and truly malicious human being.
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>>10910759
>you have to jump through hoops for the privilege to the documented right though
the process isnt that hard, its scraping up the 20K$ to buy one thats a pain in the ass.
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>>10910737
>>10910759
>restricted to several thousand nearly 30yo units
>cost as much as a new car
>not a de facto ban
Technically, you are right.
>paperwork
Just NFA registration and tax stamp.
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>>10910783
>objectively immoral
there's no such thing. All morals are relative- they are a human creation. If the majority of people say something is moral, it is.
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>>10910727
>unbiased source
you openly admit that you don't care, because you are motivated by hatred.
so obviously you don't give a shit about science, otherwise you could have found your "unbiased sources" easily.
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>>10910778
i'm not denying any of that.
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>>10910809
>knowing this little about his own country
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>>10910791
That's because of artificial scarcity.
Nevertheless, the government likes to imply that it has new powers while simultaneously redefining documented rights to be mere privileges.
This is a breach of contract because the document contains provisions for amendment.
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>>10910810
having NO morals is objectively immoral.
you just outed yourself, asshole.
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>>10910810
This is correct.
This mick is totalitarian scum, but there is no objective moral standard.
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>>10910865
>puts public health over personal freedom
He's got morals, they're just prioritized differently.
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>>10910825
then stop pretending that your worthless hate-filled philosophy is anything close to a valid opinion that should be implemented as law.
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>>10910855
i still think its bullshit that i cant fabricate my own fire arm.
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>>10910727
The better question is "where is the evidence for the negative effects of THC?". It's the most popular drug there is, if there were terrible side effects we would know about them.
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>>10910892
except that THC does not pose a public health risk. (another objective fact)
there is no public health argument against pot that would not first need to ban alcohol, cigarettes, and peanuts, all of which are more dangerous than weed.
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>>10910902
I never pretended that. it's what I would personally like to see, that's all.
Will someone answer me and say what classes they learned about Hobbes etc in? Here's the Irish high school curriculum: http://www.curriculumonline.ie/en/Post-Primary_Curriculum/Senior_Cycle _Curriculum/Leaving_Certificate_Est ablished/
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>>10910810
Explain to me how it's moral for me to control what you can or can't do with your own body. What are these inherent rights I have to stop you from doing something that doesn't affect me? What, do they come from a creator or something? Surely not.
I'm not trying to push some religion on you. I believe that the only moral system is one where people are free to do whatever they want until they interfere with someone else'srights to do the same. Anyone who has a problem with this is immoral! Tell me why they aren't!
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>>10910902
He said they were just opinions, numbnuts.
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>>10910946
but I do want to ban alcohol, cigarettes, and peanuts as well.
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>>10910960
>Explain to me how it's moral for me to control what you can or can't do with your own body
i don't believe in total personal autonomy or freedom. It's moral to me.
>I believe that the only moral system is one where people are free to do whatever they want until they interfere with someone else'srights to do the same.
And I don't subscribe to that.
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>>10910970
then fuck off.
peanuts are fucking delicious, and you will take them only from my cold, dead snack-cup.
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>>10910766
Yes
History
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>>10910946
>except that THC does not pose a public health risk
>objective fact
Even if there was widespread agreement in the health community about THC, that would't make it fact.
Mick argues
>everything should be banned until proven safe
>the use of marijuana has not been proven safe
>there is reason to believe it has adverse effects
His premise about public safety is hardline and pretty ridiculous, but you're butthurt as fuck.
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>>10910960
>hasn't read Kant
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>>10911010
I like them too, but if it's for the greater good of society I trust the state to know what's best for me.
>>10911026
hmm. My history was about the Celts, irish independence and WW2. No philosophy in it(other than nationalistic rhetoric).
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>>10910824
There is no real negative effect of thc. It's possible that it can exacerbate underlying psychological issues, but you'd already know if you had anything like that. You're lying or over-estimating the power of weed if you say you wouldn't.
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>>10910940
But you can. You just can't legally sell it without a license. Which isn't that hard to get. And you can't make destructive devices or automatic weapons.
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>>10911054
I think you're forgetting, we don't just randomly ban everything we don't know about.
so unless you have the slightest scrap of evidence that pot IS dangerous, then your objections are hollow, and as usual, motivated by petty prejudice.
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>>10911120
>we don't just randomly ban everything we don't know about.
no, but we should.
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>>10910951
>what classes they learned about Hobbes etc in?
History or Government. One of the two.
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>>10911066
I have read Kant. I wouldn't want you telling me how to live my life and you wouldn't want me. The guy in here trying to use voilence to make us live he wants probably wouldn't appreciate that being done to him. That rule of non-violation is the only one that I would will to be universal. It's the only one broad enough to use.
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>>10911155
I guess since America only has 200 years of history you have to pad it out with philosophy. my History classes were all about actual history.
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>>10911120
>we don't just randomly ban everything we don't know about.
Of course we don't. I already said the premise is ridiculous. I'm not saying weed should be banned, but you argued that marijuana use isn't harmful to one's health, which is both arguably false and largely unprovable.
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>>10911187
We learn about world history too, Mick-san.
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>>10911247
>somebody left a 2ft pot plant in my parking spot yesterday
Did you blaze that shit like a forest fire?
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>>10911155
weird. Here is the Irish History curriculum.
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>>10910999
You believe that using the threat of violence or abduction to make people act like you want is moral?
So rape, theft...basically most other kinds of crime beside doing drugs is justifiable to you?
inb4 STRAWMAN. You know good and well what I mean here.
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>>10911240
is Mick meant to be an insult? It's just a name, my uncle is called Mick..
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>>10911214
>arguably false
but much more easily arguably true.
the great irony here is that prohibiliton has stopped research on the subject.
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>>10911278
>facepalm.jpg
Weed requires drying and curing before it's smoked...
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>>10911305
I don't think its meant to refer to the actual name "mick" but rather to the comonality of irish surnames with "Mc" as a prefix.
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>>10911299
i just have a different base premise than you. If people as a group say something is moral, it is. It's that simple. So yes, rape, theft etc is justifiable. Doing drugs is justifiable too.
I just want the majority of people to agree with me and posit what we would have to do if they did.
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>>10911278
nah, it was still in veg state no buds. think it might have been a male, but i didnt look to close.
i literally cut coupons out of the newspaper for my pot. BOGO wednesdays are the biz.
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>>10911305
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs#M
Mack, Mick, Mickey, Mickey Finn
a. (Britain, Commonwealth and US) an Irish person or a person of Irish descent. Mick is considered more offensive in the UK and US.
Yeah, I guess we made it up ourselves.
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>>10911367
>cut coupons out of the newspaper for my pot
Are you fucking serious that is awesome as fuck and I don't even smoke weed
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>>10911306
>inhaling smoke
>not harmful to one's health
I'm listening.
>inb4 you compare it to other acceptable harmful substances
Remember, that wasn't the premise.
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>>10911368
>mickey
>mickey finn
any link I wonder between those terms referring to irish people as well as date-rape drugs?
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>>10911356
> If people as a group say something is moral, it is. It's that simple. So yes, rape, theft etc is justifiable.
a group of niggers wants to rape your little sister. They think it's fine because of reparations for slavery. Are you ok with that?
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>>10911400
heh, yeah. and almost every dispensary has a punch card thing like Subway, fill the card for a free w/e.
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>>10911438
there is nothing about the consumption of pot that requires the inhalation of smoke.
a study of the dangers of THC would naturally be done with either vaporized leaf of pot-infused food.
its as simple as that.
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>>10911299
>most other kinds of crime beside doing drugs is justifiable to you
Abduction and holding, and even murder, are usually justifiable when committed by the vast majority.
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>>10911356
So if you were in Africa where it was common practice for most people to rape newborn babies due to the belief it would protect oneself from aids, and it wasn't illegal to do so, you would have no issue with doing that?
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>>10906633
>muh states rights
Fuck off neo-confeds, or we will give you another ass kicking
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>>10911449
no, because one small group != a majority of society. If for example we elected a whole bunch of TDs(irish parliment members) on the platform of allowing rape and campaigned and protested to get it decriminalised, then that would be ok. After a generation or two(and probably less) we would all accept it as a moral. I don't have a sister btw.
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>>10911495
>even murder
so you're defending lynch mobs now?
different guy, btw.
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>>10911495
the state must have the monopoly on violence. I support that.
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>>10911486
>nothing about the consumption of pot that requires the inhalation of smoke
This is true. Hard to argue that that isn't virtually the only way it is consumed, though. Edibles and oil as well as wax are novelties by comparison.
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>>10906633
>They aren't mad they don't have jobs anymore
Stay mad DEA, stay mad.
Focus on the cocaine and meth instead of crying about a plant that has low profit margins in small amounts.
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>>10911522
if I was in africa we wouldn't have this discussion, I would be a different person. Obviously as a western person I have different morals. Morals are realitive and local- within subsaharan Africa, it is considered moral to rape babies. So in subsaharan Africa, it is moral. I find it objectionable, but I am not going to argue it's not moral. For them, it is. I wouldn't try to stop them or impose my morals on them either.
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>>10911531
>so you're defending lynch mobs now?
No, I'm talking about state executions. I wasn't defending anything.
>>10911546
>monopoly on violence
Remember to say "lawful violence". Out of curiosity, what do you think of self-defense, Mick-san?
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>>10911604
the police are there for your defence. All other violence is abhorrent.
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>>10911556
that's true, but its ultimately an irrelevance I think since even under those, the LEAST healthy scenarios, pot smoking is only as dangerous as cigarettes, which ought to remain legal.
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>>10911524
>not supporting states rights
>taking pride in the Civil War
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>>10911486
Again, vaporizing concentrates like this is actually good for your lungs. If you're a cigarette smoker and you start dabbing... expect to get the same thing smokers get when they quit and start hacking out a bunch of black shit that's been sitting in your lungs.
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>>10911625
Heheh. Actually not true in the US by law, but I got you.
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>>10908319
>Makes you unintelligent
>I haven't smoked weed every day in the evening for the last 6 years (and sometimes during the day)
>I don't workout every day and am currently not fit and extremely athletic
>I didn't graduate from college with minimal effort
>I'm not an upstanding citizen and person
Moderation my dear watson.
>Drink 1 beer a day
vs
>Drink beers all day everyday
I'm using it to relieve stress, pain, and clear my thoughts so I can focus on my inner me.
Stop generalizing to push your agenda.
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>>10911626
Ah ah ah!
I said here
>>10911438
>inb4 you compare it to other acceptable harmful substances
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>>10911495
I'm not sure I understand. Are you talking about putting people in prison? In that case, it's only justified if they committed a crime against another person. I also don't believe in the death penalty, but that has more to do with it's imcompetence as a deterrent and it's mediocre accuracy at killing guilty people exclusively.
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>>10911556
>Edibles and oil as well as wax are novelties by comparison.
CO fag here. Edibles and vaporizing are quickly becoming the norm instead of smoking, at least from what ive seen. after switching to a mini-vape the amount of pot i used reduced dramatically, smoking it just burns it up.
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>believes in self-determination
>believes motivations for all actions and decisions come from some spiritual conscience or incorporeal soul and not at all from the environment, unforseen and humanly incalculable variables, and one's unique physiological makeup with reference to both of these things
>2013
It takes one tiny pull of an ideological thread to send your whole house-of-cards "rights of man" societal programming based on Jewish monotheism careening to the ground. But one card goes on top of the other and most practitioners of popular Abrahamic religions will defend the concept of "free will", and the related hypothesis of the incorporeal soul, to the death. Because many Western countries are based on Enlightenment Thinking as well (which is inherently locked together with theism and "the creator"), many secular agnostics and atheists, as well as religious agnostics and atheists, will argue against determinism as well.
God works in mysterious ways, yet free will. God has a plan, yet muh freedom of choice. So much inconsistency to hide the glaring truth that there is no such thing as free will as the religious define it, that the concept of free will was invented out of ignorance and convenience.
Example:
Why does the man kill?
The theistic free will answer: He is weak-willed and lacks self-control. Therefore, he is criminal scum/a sinner, therefore he is worthy of righteous punishment through imprisonment and/or execution.
The uncomfortable truth: Neurological predisposition, stress factors, upbringing, environment, mental disorder, we honestly don't know all of the reasons, etc.
Enlightenment thinking substitutes truth for verisimilitudinous truism, but since no one thinks about this stuff critically, and MUH FREEDUMS are directly dependent on said paradigm of abject personal responsibility for all actions, anyone who challenges this line of thought is seen as pure evil, or plain foolish, without anyone paying these concepts even a second glance.
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>>10911632
god damn I need to move to colorado.
I've been non-functional with an anxiety disorder for a couple of years now and none of the drugs have helped as much as when I used to smoke pot (but ultimately the vulnerability to prosecution did more harm than good for my stress)
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>>10911066
>agreeing with everything you read
you must be a favorite among the cultural marxists of university
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>>10911670
>it's only justified if they committed a crime against another person
It doesn't change the act itself. I'm not saying a society without punishment is desirable, but at their core, it is still kidnapping and imprisonment.
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>>10911684
we are still one of the only states where you can distill whiskey for personal use without a license.
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>>10911682
>Edibles and vaporizing are quickly becoming the norm instead of smoking,
Very intradasting.
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>>10911764
True, but if that 15rd mag limit bill passes, I['m leaving.
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>>10911764
Yeah, sorry bro. I love my guns more than the dank.
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>>10911707
that's a great post. I agree- we should confront underlying reasons for murder and so on. A murderer is as much as victim as anyone else- he has been failed by society.
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>>10911756
it's entirely justifiable if done by the state though. so who cares?
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>>10911666
the comparison is important.
are we going to ban substances based on prejudice, or based on comparison of safety?
now, that being said, with the presence of vaping and pot-food, we've already established that pot can be used with ZERO negative health effects.
the discussion of pot SMOKING was mearly a tangent from that central point.
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>>10911626
But even with the tar you get from smoking flower pot instead of concentrates, nobody gets lung cancer or the deadly diseases tobacco smokers get. A big reason is the medicinal compounds in the pot negate the negative effects the tar causes.
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When the price of pot shoots up by order magnitues because it has to be taxed and regulated and employees making it need to be taxed and given benefits and pensions, you little shits are going to piss and moan and I will laugh
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>>10911599
Well, good for you. I'm glad you won that argument. You really seem like a good person. I hope everyone else saw that, saw how you held your ground. I just wanted to see if you would rape a baby before you would admit you were wrong. I should have known what the answer would be. Once again, you have proven yourself to be a cruel and malicious human being. I'm not continuing this any further out of fear that I may meet you someday and be savagely murdered by you because you don't like my haircut or something.
I may take a screenshot of that last post, though.
I really thought Ireland was a little bit better than the rest of Europe.
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>>10911803
im of the opinion that some people are just born defective and that the only way to fix them is to "recall" the unit.
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>>10911707
>not coming to grips with the fact that criminals are a necessary byproduct of society but that their punishment is necessary
>2013
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As much as I think marijuana should be legal, we shouldn't have varying laws between states. It's been 150 years since the Civil War. It's about time we threw "states' rights" out the window. We're one united people, not a collection of states.
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Califag here.
Edibles, vaporizing, and dabbing are the norm here too. Wax is just so much better tasting, better high, and good for your lungs.
If you haven't had a strong edible yet, you still haven't had all of what herb has to offer.
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>>10911935
a quantity of tobacco is still cheaper than a quantity of pot. mass production will make any of that over head irrelevant.
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>>10911948
please don't think any less of Ireland because of me. I'd hate to think you hate Ireland now or something because of me. We are different to the rest of Europe in some ways. I'm just a nut.
>>10911951
I agree.
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>>10911838
Mick-san was talking about allowing only substances that are not hazardous to the public health.
Which is pretty silly.
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>>10911990
>living in california
>ever
why
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>>10911836
That's what I'm saying, buttfuck.
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>>10911935
Your theory sucks because people would just grow their own, get some from their friends, or continue buying from dealers... all which are legal in recreational states.
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>>10912020
its a great state geographically, its the people that make it miserable.
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>>10911707
There's absolutely no need to use religion to argue for liberty. In fact, I require more inherent rights in your model, where I somehow have the right to tell you what you can or can't do with your life EVEN THOUGH IT HAS NO AFFECT ON MY OWN. What gives me the rights you say I have to tell you what to do? Or do only you have those rights? Or the government? How do you know?
You're just as hypocritical as the irish guy.
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>>10911951
>only way to fix them is to "recall" the unit
I wish the US had a justice system more focused on rehabilitation rather than retribution and alienation, but I think that some people are bound to be criminal.
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>>10911948
>I really thought Ireland was a little bit better than the rest of Europe.
You don't know much about Ireland then.
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>>10912104
>more focused on rehabilitation rather than retribution and alienation
i agree, but that kind of thinking can blind people to the fact that some people are just assholes.
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>>10911935
>cut out countless middlemen and huge associated with illegal trade
>increase in price
You are fucking retarded.
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>>10912020
Our state has its problems, but I'd much rather live here than many other states I've visited.
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>>10912068
>be minnesotan
>have commiefornia neighbors
>ton of antigun stickers along with MAKE LOVE NOT WAR
>WE ARE ALL EQUAL
>OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Please.
Make it stop.
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>>10912155
>and huge risk*
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>>10912127
I guess I just assumed that since they didn't join the EU, they had a little more sense. And they seem to not be overrun with muslims the way the UK is. I mean, sure, they're a bunch of alcoholic Catholics, but I feel like that's one country in Europe where I wouldn't have to worry about getting gangraped on the bus.
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>>10912197
>I mean, sure, they're a bunch of alcoholic Catholics
yeah, i took comfort in that fact. they have been alcoholic catholics for the longest time, i admired their consistancy.
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>>10912197
we did join the EU you idiot. We are one of the most enthusiastic pro-EU countries. The train and train track I am taking home later was built with EU grants. Without the EU we would be a failed state, we cannot govern ourselves.
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>>10912197
>since they didn't join the EU
>Ireland
How fucking stupid are you?
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>>10911965
>not coming to grips with the fact that criminals are a byproduct of society elicited by their inability (inborn or otherwise) to follow both the written and/or unwritten societal doctrine du jour to the point of segregation and forced re-education by the powers that be
>still thinking criminals need to be "punished" in the fire and brimstone sense or to be "made an example of"
>2013
You "came to grips" with the state and church/mosque/synagogue-approved version of reality and morality fed to the plebs. This "coming to grips" with this sort of mentality is apparently an unofficial rite of passage into adulthood in the Abrahamic world, or the "real world" shaped and controlled by the elite since before you were born.
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>>10912150
>but that kind of thinking can blind people to the fact that some people are just assholes.
But that's just lazy thinking and oversimplification.
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>>10912263
>>10912333
Oh wow. I am pretty stupid.
Yeah, I don't need to go to Ireland, then.
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>>10910049
You're not an American? Then why the fuck do you care?
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>>10912339
>thinking that experiences with laws and the plight of others don't affect criminality
>thinking that the removal of law won't negatively affect criminality
>thinking that imprisonment cannot serve as a buffer between those who have by chance become criminal from those who are not
>thinking it is possible for the majority to be silenced in the wake of criminality
Morality is relative.
Punishment can be deterrent and quarantine.
Criminals are not evil.
Long sentences and the death penalty create physical net loss for society just in terms of labor.
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>>10910049
It's a good thing for you that you live in Europe where you can finally be treated like livestock, then. You have the totalitarian shithole you want. Why do you want it forced on other countries? Oh right: That's the very point of the ideology: My way or you die.
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>>10912666
>Criminals are not evil.
But can be unfit to live freely in society.
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>>10912710
>you live in Europe where you can finally be treated like livestock
>implying that's even true
>implying that life in Western Europe isn't comparable to that in the United States
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>>10911133
>>10911181
EXTREMELY MAD
THC IS GODS WONDERFUL MEDICINE MAN ITS INTELLIGENCE AND LOVE COMBINED INTO ONE TOKE MAN!
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>>10912071
I make no claim at "rights". It is you who cannot think outside of the Enlightenment Thinker paradigm.
Also, how are all of those "rights" that you automatically are supposed to have going for you? How many people in the government actually care about them? Are these holy truths so important the elite had to actually write them down on a piece of paper so they wouldn't forget what is supposedly self-evident, or so obviously imbued by "the Creator" (and then shirk these "rights" whenever convenient to them)?
No good sir, it is you who are the hypocrite. I give nor take any rights, because I know they do not exist outside of a false religious dichotomy. Your government gives and takes them away with impunity, whenever it serves them. Belief in "rights" is akin to religion, as they are, of course, "god given". The government, and the entities that run the government, know this, and they take advantage of the blatant naivete of the trusting and falsely empowered/self-inflated serf who feels that their rights are somehow decreed to them by god himself. That the citizen now has the divine rule of the monarchs of old.
This form of society is unsustainable (especially with the inherent growth of secularism in the modern world), and easily corruptable, but oh so easy to spread to the people who hate to think and love to hate. Again, verisimilitudinous truisms in lieu of truth.
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>>10912783
>implying you're that new here
>implying a child in the UK didn't get taken from foster care because of the political affiliation of their adoptive parents
>implying it isn't illegal to urinate standing up after 8pm in certain designated areas in Sweden
>implying you won't be jailed for questioning the Holocaust in Germany
I'm in no way a Holocaust denier, but if you can't see why that last one is abhorrent, you should...well, just stay in Europe where you belong.
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>>10907035
>3. alcohol/bar industry will lose profits
tabaco industry would potentially lose profits too
>1. cotton industry stands to lose profits to hemp trade
not true, the kind of hemp useful in production of good and materials won't get you high at all. For that reason it is also legal in many countries such as canada.
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>>10912944
Whoa! I've never seen big words like dichotomy or verisimilitudinous! What could that possibly mean? I GIVE UP
You are yet to tell me what gives you the ability to limit the things I can and can't do with the things I possess. I get that you hate religion and all, and that's cool, but it's not what I'm talking about.
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i have mild OCD. weed helps me control my symptoms. i haven't smoked any in two months because i have to take a drug test for a second job. i freak out and clean my whole apartment twice a week. i flip out if something is out of order or 'not perfectly efficient'. i can't control myself and do obsessive things sometimes. this has cost me jobs and relationships.
i am very intelligent and got A's in high school and graduated from a university. i excel in math and science.
i discovered weed when i was 16. i became a daily smoker in my twenties and don't drink. i am 30 years old.
weed has been such a blessing for me. it doesn't make me any less OCD, it just helps me be okay with the fact that i am. i have less apprehension and i am able to focus on tasks and have deeper more explorative thoughts while under the influence of it. it relaxes me in a way that nothing else does.
i dont want pharmaceuticals, or doctors, or councilors. i just want to smoke a bowl once a day and stay level throughout the day.
it makes me feel euphoric and makes me think outside the box. it cures any depression i might have and gives me an optimist viewpoint on life. it also makes me question my assumptions.
hate on it all you like. legal or no- i am never going to stop smoking weed.
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>>10913030
>implying any of those things are commonplace
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>>10912171
you are the state that gives us michelle bachmann.
the rest of us have been saying "please, make it stop" for years.
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>>10912666
>thinking that experiences with laws and the plight of others don't affect criminality
>thinking that the removal of law won't negatively affect criminality
>thinking it is possible for the majority to be silenced in the wake of criminality
>Continue to define "criminality" within the confines of Western psychology and law based predominantly on Abrahamic religious philosophy of objective morality defined by the Word of God.
>Think that this doesn't have a bearing on a person's experiences with laws and the plight of others.
>Morality is relative.
Morality is a made-up concept. It is neither relative nor objective, because it isn't real. There is the environment, there is your biology, and there is the interaction between the two. The only true "rules" are created by your neurology and its perception of the environment. For example: with those who are average humans with healthy empathy, things are generally fine. For those without a healthy empathy instinct... well... they tend towards the end of the spectrum that controls and manipulates people who have a healthy empathy instinct, etc.
>Punishment can be deterrent and quarantine.
>thinking that imprisonment cannot serve as a buffer between those who have by chance become criminal from those who are not
This is brushing a major problem under the carpet, and fails to address the basis of logic these people are imprisoned for.
>Long sentences and the death penalty create physical net loss for society just in terms of labor.
If you're an emotionless utilitarian, sure. However the full potential of an individual's life (outside of just cruel, soul-crushing cheap prisoner labor for the prison-industrial complex) is never realized until they are dead. Even then, the ripples they create in the universe (percievably positive or negative, depending on the view) will probably never be fully known.
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>>10912847
the only thing worse than endless strawmen is impersonation of strawmen.
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>>10913513
>implying you aren't choking back tears of asspain typing that
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>>10913118
>Whoa! I've never seen big words like dichotomy or verisimilitudinous! What could that possibly mean? I GIVE UP
How pointlessly facetious.
>You are yet to tell me what gives you the ability to limit the things I can and can't do with the things I possess.
I made no such ideological claim of what you can and/or can't do. You keep telling me to tell you what to do, which makes me think you either mentally require an authority figure to tell you what to think, or have a thing for BDSM. If it's the latter, I can hook you up with someone. But it seems more likely that you simply missed the entire point of this coversation and think it is some form of anti-west or anti-America or anti-religion bash-fest. It isn't.
>I get that you hate religion and all, and that's cool, but it's not what I'm talking about.
I don't hate religion, or anything at all really. I was pointing out the issues of Enlightenment Thinking, which is based in Abrahamic philosophy, which is based in the logic of AT LEAST deism to justify "rights" given "by the creator". I understand the current ideological paradigm of the West, and Abrahamic-based moral systems, in general. I merely find it inherently false, and I explained my views on this thoroughly.
Sorry if they bother you, or unsettle you.
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>>10914277
But the ONLY rights I was advocating was the right to do whatever you want to. The only thing immoral in this system is an act that limits that one right for an individual.
Any other belief would be "telling me what to do" and that's why I have a hard understanding how you could disagree, because I don't understand why you would choose less freedom over more.
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